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Wednesday, October 12, 2005

Join the fight against IIPM and the string of fake blogs

Gaurav Sabnis and Rashmi Bansal have been targeted by IIPM and it’s so called students and alumni. Gaurav has received a legal notice from IIPM and Rashmi has been the victim of malicious accusations and some extremely distasteful personal comments.

The fake blogs, which have started talking ill about Gaurav and Rashmi, have just sprung up in the last few days and don’t have more than a single post in their blog. It is almost certain that these fake blogs have been started by the same person(s) (using different user names). What Gaurav and Rashmi have attempted to do is to examine whether the tall claims (about placements, faculty and infrastructure) made by IIPM are really true or not. If IIPM really believes that they have the best-in-class facilities it is better that the placements and infrastructure do the talking. Such direct brutal attacks on established bloggers will do more harm than good. Any blog bashing exercise by IIPM will definitely backfire at them as more people will realize the true nature of IIPM. Such offensive comments are only going to increase the hatred among the public in general and the student community in particular. The actions by IIPM and the baseless comments/accusations by the IIPM students definitely show that they have never come across terms like discipline and ethics during the course of their MBA.

The MSM in India is unlikely to take up such issues as they are dependent on advertising revenue from these institutes. If you feel strongly about this issue, I urge you to take this up and post it in some form or ther other so that such fake blogs and the institutes are nailed down. Let’s join hands to fight against this menace. Let them not underestimate the power of the Blogosphere. The Blog readers are a well-informed lot and they are in the best position to decide which side is right. They have been following Gaurav’s blog and Rashmi’s blog for sometime and they will definitely vouch for the credibility of these two bloggers.


Update 2: Patrix of Nerve Endings Firing Away wants to absolve the ‘real’ students from the IIPM controversy (those behind the fake blogs will not be spared)

Update 3: Gaurav Sabnis explains his stand. Hats off to Gaurav for his determination and resolve to stand up for the truth.

Update 4: Global Voices Online makes a call for Freedom of Speech

Update 5: Amit Varma of India Uncut sums up the developments

Update 6: Michael Higgins has an insightful post on the importance of Reputation as a Business Asset (especially in the field of education)

Update 7: Leading international blog Instapundit picks up the story (InstaPundit follow-up article Part 2). Some more reactions from Jeff Ooi of Malaysia and Think Jose.

Update 8: Anna of Sepia Mutiny hits out at IIPM. Sepia Mutiny also has a follow-up article titled "Boycotts and IIPM".

Update 9: IIPM is the now the most searched term on Technorati (Global Blog Search). Varun has a snapshot here.

Update 10: This issue is now being discussed actively in all forms of online media (email forwards, egroups, discussion boards, mailing lists etc). Abhishek Thakore explains how the democratic people-owned media (Blogosphere) and its web of networks can influence more people than traditional print (ToI) ads

Update 11: DesiPundit has comprehensive coverage

Update 12: To track the developments through various Blog Search engines visit Technorati, Google Blog Search and Ice Rocket

Update 13: Abi of Nanopolitan wants employers (corporates) to verify some of the information mentioned in the IIPM Placement Statistics.

Update 14: Techmag throws some light on the legal validity of the notice that Gaurav Sabnis received. Sudhish informs us that the so called legal notices may just be threats.

Update 15: “IIPM doesn’t just owe Gaurav an apology; it owes him his life back”, says Nilanjana (Part 1 and Part 2)

Update 16: Patrix explains the intentions of the Blogosphere in an Open Letter to IIPM

Update 17: Dhaaba discusses the IIPM issue over a glass of lassi (A laugh riot). Great Bong plans to start Indian Institute of International Dreamers (I3D). His post indicates that he has grandiose plans.

Update 18: Indian MSM picks up the story - Hindustan Times, Mumbai Mirror, Daily Pioneer, NDTV

Update 20: Kiruba designs some "Support Buttons" for us to show our support for Gaurav and Rashmi.

Update 21: Puneet accuses IIPM of spamming Google, Yahoo and MSN search engines. He also has screenshots to prove his claim

Update 22: Arzan probes about IIPM's Toronto connection and Belgian alliance. Curious Gawker also manages to throw some light on the web of alliances surrounding IMI.

Update 23: The Committee to Protect Bloggers pledges support.

Update 24: An Online Petition has been created to protest against IIPM. Please sign the petition. Pls help in spreading the word about this petition.

Other reactions in the Blogosphere (this list will be updated frequently): Harini Calamur, Press Talk, Varun's Thoughtful Chaos, Srini, The Arbit Council, DesiPundit, Anshul, Charu, Patrix, Muthuvel, Thalassa Mikra, Jagan, Vijay Krishna, Vatsan, Mridula, Jo, Amrit Hallan, Ash, Shivam Vij, Swaroop, Jujitsu Mode, Uma, Abi, Toufeeq Hussain, Shub, Ranj, Shivam, Abhishek, Rajan, Havoc, Kaushik, Chandru, Alpha-Q, Mandar, Kaushal, Chenthil, Tony, Bonatellis, Apurv Pandit, Scudie, Press Talk - K, Sriyansa, Miss J, Neha, TablePost.Com, Chitthacharcha (Hindi), Sujatha, Hitchiker, Sowmya, Saket, Varun (Part 2), Press Talk (Part 2), Vijay Krishna (Part 2), Dhananjay, Sriram, The Comic Project, Curious Gawker, Jai Arjun Singh, Secular Right India, Jaya Jha, Navin, Sudhish Kamath, Ravikiran, Vinaya, Niket, George Thomas, Ajay Bhat, Jinal, Om Malik, Kitabkhana, Jagan (Part 2), Ranjan Kant, BigBlogLog, Kamesh, Transmogrifier, Chernoff, Varun (Part 3), Hitanshu, Srikar, Rajkumar, Almost Useless, Falstaff, Sunil Laxman, Mercatus, Arzan, Nitin Pai, Veer Jain, Nupur Dave, Nirav, Jitendra Mohan, Mayank, Varnam, Soumyadip, Uma MD, Vishal, TTG, Chandru (Part 2), Angry Grad Student, Anantha Narayan, Pradyot, Amit Chaudhry, Sandesh, Dilip D'Souza, Chenthil (Part 2), MMK, Salman's Shirt, Bharat, Nikhil, Kaushik, Aditya Kuber, Icarus Prakash (Tamil), Infinite Circle, Ketan, Durga, Kamlesh Singh, Pankaj, Harish Kumar, Aparna, Ashish, Swarnasrikrishnan, Rachel, Shel Israel, Rahul, Kaushik and Bidisha, Srijith, Anand, I-Sight, Logical Thinking, Sakshi, Shivam Vij (Part 2), Gururajan, Dhananjay (Part 2), Bhagya, Kunal, Sandeep, Ramanand, Satish Vijaykumar, Ashwin BS, Flying Death, Vayanasala (Malayalam), Shivangi, Govar, Harini (Part 2), Shreyas Ghuge, Prufrock, Amit Chaudhry (Part 2), The Unknown Indian, Prasoon, Killer Bunty, Suhail Kazi, Elne, Abhishek, Ravi, Aishwarya, Ram Viswanathan, Curious Gawker (Part 2), Wanderstruck, Leela, Vishwanathan, The Bat, Scribbler (Part 2), Vaibhav, Weblogsky, Divya, Sujith, Jroller, Madhoo, Sowmya (Part 2), Shoefiend, Varun (Part 4), Ash (Part 2), Ravikiran (Part 2), Veena, Salt Water Blues, Hyperorg, Ashutosh, India Blogs, Karthik, Arnold D'Souza, DesiTrain, Suds, Vijay Krishna (Part 3), Saurabh, Senthil, Arzan (Part 2), Uma (Part 2), Urmea, Kingsley, Sad Old Bong, Anshul, Rajesh, Lubu, Ravikumar, Neha (Part 2), Varun (Part 4), Anti, Instant Kaapi, Lazy Geek, Minorscale, Ferrari Prabhu, Emma, Kishore, Chenthil (Part 3), Aekta, Kashyapapeya

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101 Comments:

  • There have been lots of media/blog reports on IIPM. How do they attract such crowd? Is it an affliated institution.

    By Blogger Venky Krishnamoorthy, at 12:40 AM  

  • Kaps,
    One look at those IIPM ads making tall claims about 'daring to think beyond IIMs' can raise suspicions about their credibility.Their reaction to Rashmi's article only proves that their claims are false.As they say, 'sattile irunda daane aapaile varum' 'nirai kudam thalumbadu'. How true it is wrt IIPM. I am linking your post in my blog. I agree with you, we need to spread this around.
    Srini

    By Blogger Srini, at 12:43 AM  

  • When I fwded Gaurav's mail to you, I was trying to just control my laughter at the chain of events. No wonder Gaurav was having a laugh himself.

    By Blogger maverick, at 1:01 AM  

  • I think the fight against IIPM is useless... who in his right mind would join that sick institute?

    And as usual, down with splogs!

    By Blogger Vijay Krishna, at 1:16 AM  

  • I really think that bloggers ought to stick together on this one.

    there is something despicably cowardly about hiding behind a fake name and posting slander.

    i fell apart when i read the legal notice - your site blogger.com. i would love to see IIPM (or anyone else) take on google in the US on this topic:)

    By Anonymous Harini Calamur, at 1:21 AM  

  • It seems really foolish to me that someone would use these kind of means to convince an audience that is likely to be atleast slightly more cosmopolitan / aware /evolved than the general audience (by virtue of being part of the blogging fraternity).

    It seems so foolish that it rankles...something somewhere is amiss.

    Violent threats, sexual slander, raising questions about Rashmi's background?! Can't believe someone can use these means to tilt public opinion. Doesn't seem real.

    By Anonymous tara, at 3:01 AM  

  • You the guy, Kaps. Kudos for taking up the cause.

    Frankly, I have never been much of a cause-based blogger, but this here is an attempt at curtailing the right to free speech! Hey, hey, wasn't I born in a free country?

    My post on anonymous comments was greeted with some atrocious statements. And let me put my bravado bit under check, rationally speaking, a little bit scary too, yes.

    By Blogger Sinfully Pinstripe, at 3:31 AM  

  • My post here.

    By Blogger Anshul, at 4:33 AM  

  • am very glad you wrote about this, kaps - am hoping Rashmi will be ablew to take some action against those nasty commentors - and IIPM.

    By Anonymous Charu, at 10:04 AM  

  • Kaps, I wrote to her offering our support and mentioning that you did too. And thanks for the plug in DesiPundit :-)

    By Blogger thennavan, at 10:19 AM  

  • I have openly declared war on IIPM blogs after seeing the personal attack on Rashmi Bansal. See the "sticky post" on DesiPundit. I am also linking other blogs that have joined in the fight.

    By Blogger Patrix, at 11:15 AM  

  • Thanks for the support, Kaps

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 11:20 AM  

  • Oh..so fast. BTW...it's high time other star bloggers jump into the action.

    By Anonymous Muthuvel, at 1:09 PM  

  • I just took a look at the comments on Rashmi's post and was appalled at the extremely distasteful personal attack. They are only doing IIPM more harm; it is foolish to think anyone could take this seriously.

    Kaps ... it's great that you're spreading this around.

    By Blogger Anjali, at 2:05 PM  

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    By Blogger Jagan Mohan, at 3:03 PM  

  • My readers at Cherry Blossoms (http://jagan.biz) need just this kind of news: A funny legal notice that talks about hundreds of crores and threatens arrests, as well as a chance to grant the Blogosphere, its first VICTIM!

    Jagan Mohan @ www.jagan.biz
    Count me in.

    By Blogger Jagan Mohan, at 3:19 PM  

  • kaps me too has thrown my hat against IIPM

    IIPM VOLIGA!!

    By Anonymous vatsan, at 6:02 PM  

  • Good initiative Kaps. Am also gonna post this. This is not about Rashmi, Gaurav or IIPM, but to keep our rights to the free speech.

    By Blogger Jo, at 7:02 PM  

  • The comments on Rashmis blog itself are an indicator of the crass levels of these chaps! Like you said, looks like they need a few classes on civil behaviour!

    By Blogger Neelakantan, at 7:25 PM  

  • Can legal notices be served through email?
    The letter was sounded more like a Threat letter than legal notice.
    I bet its faked too.

    Need to bust more of these fake institutes.

    By Blogger Surya, at 9:53 PM  

  • You have assembled a nice clearinghouse for the fight against IIPM. BTW I am shamelessly lifting blogger responses from your blog to update our sticky post on DesiPundit. Let me know if you add any more.

    By Blogger Patrix, at 1:48 AM  

  • ooh my first third-person mention on the blogosphere..

    all bschools take press very seriously and the slightest slander invites the wrath of its students and alumni immediately, especially with the availability of blogs/egroups. now while that may seem justified for IIMs/XL/FMS etc., for a college like IIPM which hasn't done much beyond gifting it's top honcho a gold medal and putting glorified shots of its one-building "campus", it was only a matter of time before they got questioned..

    i'm sure this issue is already being discussed in the top floor of their building.. while the poor students that are enrolled will try to salvage their pride on the net in different ways (luckily for them, the online-real world divide in India is still wide enuogh for them to avoid having to answer face to face questions)

    gr8 goin everyone!

    By Blogger The Arbit Council, at 1:54 AM  

  • They did dared to think beyond IIMs. Such immaturity was only expected, and i truely believe they are digging their own grave. A School is only as good as the students are and with such students the will go a long way.

    By Anonymous tony, at 2:06 PM  

  • http://www.selectiveamnesia.org/2005/10/10/iipm-and-its-bunch-of-fake-lewd-bloggers/

    Kaps, I'm in! IIPM's behaviour suck, big time. Despicable

    By Blogger Ravages, at 2:12 PM  

  • hi guys, just posting a reply i’d left on rashmi’s site.
    hope it helps. regards and wishes, andrew


    hi rashmi, i am a current student at iipm and i have read jammag, your site, other blogs and frankly, i feel you have given very biased comments from your side about iipm.
    i have also heard from an iipm faculty that even your firm has received a legal court notice about this case. somehow, i appreciated that a lot because the reality is, not only iipm students across india, but even our alumnii is pretty convinced about you have not researched the truth about iipm. we’ve been here for an year and we really know the amount of effort that iipm takes. but despite iipm having such a massive effort on ensuring the highest quality of academics and infrastructure and placements (and of course, despite daring to think beyond…; a statement which peeves of many from a particular bunch of institutes) a very one-sided viewpoint from you and some other bloggers - some of whom are iim passouts - seem steeped in blogging utterly wrong information. all you need to do is to walk in yourself to any iipm campus and ask any student about what is iipm.
    frankly, have you personally visited any iipm campus and on the campus talked to faculty or student? you yourself would accept you personally have never visited any iipm campus. i repeat “on the campus” because you have never done that yourself. it seems that your junior journalist - who might have been part time - has gone really overboard with inexperience in journalism.
    further, if there is an institute that dares to think beyond iims, u of course would have read the various news articles from iipm where iipm actually extolls the virtues of iims being there and being benchmarks in management. show me one article where any iipm faculty has said that iims are bad. the fact is that we are really thankful there are institutes like iims that are world benchmarks. if iipm cannot dare to think beyond the iims, what is the information being passed out to us. never dare? that seems one-sided. at least for once, do not be so one sided.
    and seriously, at least now, please do visit any campus and on the campus talk to faculty and students instead of just keeping on referring to blogs and emails, which anyways have no credibily (not even this post should be taken for granted, pleas confirm yourself).
    because finally it’s not about a war where you believe you are fighting against iipm, it’s about realizing that there is an institution that at least is contributing with a lot of sincere and dedicated effort to studentss and corporations. that is why the confidence in my statement that you yourself should come to any campus and talk to any student on the campus.
    do not please have such a one sided viewpoint. i (and my friends) have failed to understand the reason why your article and other viewpoints are so one sided.

    i am sure your journalistic standards would prevail.
    regards

    By Blogger andy, at 3:22 PM  

  • hi guys, just posting a reply i’d left on rashmi’s site.
    hope it helps. regards and wishes, andrew


    hi rashmi, i am a current student at iipm and i have read jammag, your site, other blogs and frankly, i feel you have given very biased comments from your side about iipm.
    i have also heard from an iipm faculty that even your firm has received a legal court notice about this case. somehow, i appreciated that a lot because the reality is, not only iipm students across india, but even our alumnii is pretty convinced about you have not researched the truth about iipm. we’ve been here for an year and we really know the amount of effort that iipm takes. but despite iipm having such a massive effort on ensuring the highest quality of academics and infrastructure and placements (and of course, despite daring to think beyond…; a statement which peeves of many from a particular bunch of institutes) a very one-sided viewpoint from you and some other bloggers - some of whom are iim passouts - seem steeped in blogging utterly wrong information. all you need to do is to walk in yourself to any iipm campus and ask any student about what is iipm.
    frankly, have you personally visited any iipm campus and on the campus talked to faculty or student? you yourself would accept you personally have never visited any iipm campus. i repeat “on the campus” because you have never done that yourself. it seems that your junior journalist - who might have been part time - has gone really overboard with inexperience in journalism.
    further, if there is an institute that dares to think beyond iims, u of course would have read the various news articles from iipm where iipm actually extolls the virtues of iims being there and being benchmarks in management. show me one article where any iipm faculty has said that iims are bad. the fact is that we are really thankful there are institutes like iims that are world benchmarks. if iipm cannot dare to think beyond the iims, what is the information being passed out to us. never dare? that seems one-sided. at least for once, do not be so one sided.
    and seriously, at least now, please do visit any campus and on the campus talk to faculty and students instead of just keeping on referring to blogs and emails, which anyways have no credibily (not even this post should be taken for granted, pleas confirm yourself).
    because finally it’s not about a war where you believe you are fighting against iipm, it’s about realizing that there is an institution that at least is contributing with a lot of sincere and dedicated effort to studentss and corporations. that is why the confidence in my statement that you yourself should come to any campus and talk to any student on the campus.
    do not please have such a one sided viewpoint. i (and my friends) have failed to understand the reason why your article and other viewpoints are so one sided.

    i am sure your journalistic standards would prevail.
    regards

    By Blogger andy, at 3:22 PM  

  • HAHAHAHAA, hey kaps you just got yourself another guest here.
    A new blogger who steretd his blog to write comments. i serously doubt if these are the doings of the students or if the IIPM management have asked all the students to start blogging. Maybe its a part of the curricullum, to dare thank beyond IIMs.
    I have seen no comments from the so called students that defends the points raised on the jammag article. What are the points that they are claiming to be wrong. By not not being able to pin point on what exactly is false in the JAMMAG article, these baseless comments are actually supporting the genuiness article.

    By Anonymous tony, at 4:21 PM  

  • Ha ha ! In my 5 year attempts to get into a Management Institute, I have never even heard of this one !!!

    Btw, Kaps, they seem to make SUN TV look a lot better... What say ?

    By Blogger Somu, at 5:41 PM  

  • Kaps,
    I knew I'd read about IIPM elsewhere before, did a search and found it. It was in Venkat's Hum Tum series :)

    http://theultimatereality.blogspot.com/2005/05/hum-tum-yet-another-bulb.html

    http://theultimatereality.blogspot.com/2005/08/truth.html

    Uma

    By Blogger WA, at 7:13 PM  

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    By Blogger Chenthil, at 11:24 PM  

  • hi guys, i had replied to mridula in another post. i've copied the same out here; it could support the thread discussions hopefully. regards, andrew


    dear mridula, your question is logical and i hope i can give an answer to it; though it might not be the official one. here goes.

    your question is, why does iipm advertise full page ads and iims do not. there could be two straightforward reasons to the same as i see them. one is that iipm has seven branches across india compared to other institutes that have only one branch and need to advertise only once. iipm also has two sessions per year, that could further double up the already seven multiple on the ads (making it 14 times). and compared to the perception premium that fms or xlri might already have, on which i would not be able to put a figure, but a figure of double could be at least figuratively placed, making the number of ads to be at least 28 timesin a year.

    if you additionally add the fact that iipm has to advertise for its bba programs also, apart from the mba programs (even tho many ads carry both together) now that would amount to almost one ad every two weeks throughout the year. now i really don't know the number of times the iipm ad has come out - i really have not counted - but it is safe to say that my insti would be advertising around this average. that's the first reason.

    secondly, if an institute were providing such wonderful placements, students must be falling over each other to join it is your second question. i should say that that happens across iipm campuses. at the same time i should also clearly mention that while only around 40000 apply to iipm entrance exams, almost 3 lakh plus apply to iims, thus there is a huge difference between the application numbers between iims and iipm, and that difference is accepted by me. just for calculations (to be honest, not precisely, but just approximately) i was just aggregating the no of students in all the campuses in mba and bba programmes; the total students in all the seven campuses of iipm would be approx equal to 8000 plus. but you'll have to factor in the fact that around 25% are bba students; still you'llhave a humongous 6000 or so mba. you'll again have to factor in the fact that there are two batches etc etc.

    now for placements, it is a fact that around 25%of the batch doesn't apply for placements. now i really don't know how you would take it but i didn't believe the figure myself till i became part of the placement coordination committee (i'm not the secretary tho, that's brijesh prasad under a.sharma). almost 25% of the batch are sons and daughters of businessmen or people who wish to start their own businesses or people who are laterally placed before the last term starts. if one were to go by the companies that came this year, from sap, to oracle, to max, to a.paints and so on so forth, i can tell you this much that at least as far as my investigations could reveal, placements were really good.

    in one of my posts, you would've noticed that i wrote about rashmi not doing correct journalism. for example, one of her statements was that students got into hln and not HLL. she did not mention that hln (or hindustan levers network) is a division of HLL (hindustan levers limited) and that it was actually HLL that recruited the students? if an iipm student got into the nescafe division of nestle, would it be wrong to write that the student has been recruited by nestle. or should one keep writing only nescafe (which might sound a little inane)?

    that is why i was somehow confused on why did rashmi write each and every statement so negatively. since i have been here, i have had almost around 15 ivy league professors who have come to iipm campuses and have taken seminars at iipm. when our professors met rashmi at her office and asked her why she wrote, apart from other false statements, another false statement that no such professor had come over to iipm, she responded that these professors only took seminars with iipm students and not sessions (??!!??!!)

    you can ask rashmi the truth behind this statement of mine and if she really is honest, she won't be able to deny even one part of this statement as our professor provided us all the details of his meeting with her that happened in front of three other people, including another journalist that rashmi knows herself.

    the fact is, rashmi knows she has lied on more parts than one. and that is something that is so bad of a person who says she is a journalist.
    she writes that there is no wi-fi in any of iipm campuses and that no student has any laptop. i believe her part-time journalist pulled a fast one on rashmi herself (because when i see her blogs, she sounds sensible; that is why i am really surprised she wrote this). all students have laptops provided by iipm and all students have access to wi-fi in all our campuses.
    that is why i requested rashmi to come herself to the campus and ask any student (any student) whether the student has a laptop or whether the campus has or doesn't have a wi-fi connection. if rashmi were to do that, i am so sure she would withdraw her own comments because that is truly not journalism.

    mridula, coming to your final point, if you write something about iit kanpur, the guys there are not going to bat an eyelid. neither would iipm bat an eyelid. but how would iit kanpur professors react if some journalist were to hire part-time journalists, take out a print journal (jammag is a print journal) and write false things about iit kanpur.

    to quote the case of iit kanpur, you can ask any of the professors of iit kanpur how they jumped up at journalists when their center for enterprise technology (cet), a private company started by iit kanpur in collaboration with EL-NET (go ahead, ask IIT Kanpur professors, they won't be able to deny even one word of it) left thousands of students across india high and dry after eating away a lot of their money. journalists wrote about how iit kanpur had usurped money of thousands of students. iit kanpur went up in arms agains many such net sites and journalists claiming that it was EL-NET that cheated students and that iit kanpur was just the testing and certifying agency.

    the example i am quoting is for telling you that it's not about iit kanpur or iipm, but about a journalist writing false things (or being given false articles by her hired hands). if there were something that could be attempted, it could be a truthful debate rather than blog slur which is what i feel is neither ineffective nor adequate.

    regards and wishes,

    andrew

    By Blogger andy, at 1:22 AM  

  • Kaps,
    I strongly believe in Gaurav's right to opinion.

    But I also disagree with his line of reasoning, which borders on elitism. However, as always, am game for taking the fight to IIPM.

    I seriously suggest we do a perfect fact check and sue them - like really.

    By Blogger Nilu, at 1:40 AM  

  • @Andy --

    My question is about their intolerance. Why didn't they make a public statement clearing out their stands? Instead, they are trying to threaten the people who have blogged about this? India is a free country mate. Every Indian citizen has the right to express his views on things. But the IIPM decision to send legal notice to the fellow blogger Gaurav is clearly a threat to this free speech and that cannot be encouraged. Or do you think it is okay??

    By Blogger Jo, at 1:41 AM  

  • Kaps,
    Am game too.

    By Blogger Sriram, at 2:26 AM  

  • im no IIPM-ite.. and neither do i have any affiliation towards the institute..
    infact i was an ardent supporter of ur campaign till maybe i read thru andy's comment..

    hi rashmi,
    i've been a regular reader of JAM since perhaps it was born.. also been following ur blog..a bit from the shadows.. commented just once previously when JAM celebrated its b'day lately..
    when i first read ur article in JAM about the bazaar run by ponytail guru.. in the name of IIPM.. i really appreciated ur effort and ur guts to initiate to disrobe this "DARE TO THINK BEYOND.." scandal..

    but now when i look back at it.. i see that it was actually a very biased opinion that u are supporting..
    being a journalist.. ((im not sure if u qualify as one.. since JAM is not a mainstream journal..)) we would expect u to present a balanced view point on the issue.. and with an a stance directed towards the wrong-doings happening in the name of imparting education..
    i understand that anyone would be furious over such dubious claims being passed of and students misguided.. but it should not be a totally one sided flow of thoughts..

    well, anyway, ur credibility says u perhaps know better than Me.. and u know it the best what u are doing.. but i also fail to uderstand the logic and the sense that i thought prevailed among bloggers ((and all of them in very respectable positions.. both in their realf lives.. and here in the blogosphere too..))
    i also fail to understand this huge rebellious outrage that has sweeped in the blogdom in the name of faltering down IIPMs.. most of them without checking the proper credentials and channels through which this outcry has been breeded, are blindily supporting the cause.. ((or atleast saying so.. wonder how many will actually stand when it comes to..))

    and it is not just IIPM.. there are thousands of institutions throughout india which need to approached in much the same way for running a black business under this guise..
    if we are standing against one.. let bring em al down to knees..

    most of u may now.. ((if practical sense still prevails in u..))may agree that this is not possible.. it runs core into the heartlands of india.. what with right from schools charging exhorbitanat and insane amounts of money for the basic education.. uder the name of donations.. fulfillments of which also leads to cancellation of which also means denial of admission..

    many and many more things need to be addressed.. sitting on ur laptops and desktops from ur offices and homes and ranting anti slogans doesnt really count and help..
    if u really wanna make it mainstream.. DO somethings more than just publishing blogs.. i dont think arindams gonna lose any business over some pittance calls.. ((hes' definitely making a fool of himself by sending those dubious mails from so called legal cells of planman..

    a humble request to all those following and supporting rashmi.. including rashmi herself..
    please verify and check details before reading and pledging for just one side of the story.. IIPM is definitely just one such institution.. there are more.. and such intelligent and reputed bloggers are not really expected to bejust acting rebel.. they are also supposd to DO BEYOND..

    wishes..

    shreyas ghuge

    By Blogger clueless me, at 3:47 AM  

  • To Veera Thamizhan Kaps :-),

    http://free-blog-site.com/navin/archive/2005/10/10/84546.aspx

    Here goes my post on the same.

    I am going to email few famous bloggers to create more awareness on the same.

    By Anonymous Navin, at 5:38 AM  

  • What the heck, Gaurav could have just seen these IIPM guys burn the laptops, IBM would be very happy to lose a client who don't know how to use a laptop.
    and btw these IIPM guys could get caught by law and Pollution board for disposing off electronics in the most improper way.
    IBM did not have a problem, i fail to understand why Gaurav resigned, feel so sorry for him. I just hope he takes back his resignation. This just doesnt make sense.
    By his decision only IIPM won. Man those guys must be having fun now.
    Gaurav for his proactivism became a victim to it.

    Surya - http://desaraju.blogspot.com

    By Blogger Surya, at 8:31 AM  

  • I blogged on it here

    To further take this case, I called up the telephone number listed on their contact page for their IIPM's Toronto Research Center, Canada; which is listed at The Indian Institute of Planning & Management; Suite 806; 150 Cosburn Avenue, Toronto: M4J2L9; CANADA Phone: +1-416-424-4649

    All I get is a recorded message followed by a human voice speaking the seven digit number. What is this, a bucket shop ?? Does anyone familiar with Toronto know where this is ?

    OK now this is big......

    Just as I finished typing this sentence, my cell rings and a person by the name of Sanjeev calls back saying that I had called his telephone and he was returning the call. I said that I had called because this telephone number was posted on their site and I wanted to find out more about the institute. He categorically told me that they had nothing to do with IIPM. I asked him if there was a center there and he said “nothing is there because nothing worked out and its not like what they say on their website”.

    I now leave it to you to decide what’s going on !!

    By Anonymous arzZan, at 9:31 AM  

  • I really admire Gaurav for standing by his conviction and doing what he believes is right.

    There are a lot of other institutions in India which make such tall claims about their "ranking". But, the way IIPM refuses to admit they are in the wrong in appalling. And the steps they have taken (giving notices, and making stupid threats) to curb free speech, is even worse.

    It would be interesting to see the outcome of this episode and the implications on bloggers/blogging community in India.

    By Anonymous Ashwin, at 10:21 AM  

  • Kaps, you can include me in your list too... http://mehtanirav.blogspot.com/2005/10/lord-of-wrongs.html

    By Blogger Nirav, at 11:05 AM  

  • An update:

    IIPM is now ranked number 2 on Technorati.com

    And their ads are going to scream "Ranked better than all b-schools in the world by Technorati"

    By Blogger Vijay Krishna, at 11:47 AM  

  • Kaps, I have borrowed your Other reactions in the Blogosphere links to spread the message. I hope you dont mind. Here is my link. Thanks.

    http://www.cyd.liu.se/~kamva881/blogs/musings/

    By Anonymous kamesh, at 12:48 PM  

  • This is a bizzare and sad occurence!! Can I link this on my blog?

    By Blogger Aditya Pethe, at 12:59 PM  

  • Kaps, just came across fine print in one of IIPMs ads. Real Fun, they claim the Industry and Media have an inferiority complex and intellectually dwarfed questioning attitude towards IIMs. Check it out in my blog

    By Blogger Chenthil, at 1:28 PM  

  • Agreer!! Strong. you can link me at http://kowiks.blogdrive.com/archive/36.html

    By Anonymous Kaushik, at 1:54 PM  

  • Hey Guys.
    Add my blog too.
    http://oktoberchyld.blogspot.com/

    I have written about the Bragging that Mr Ponytail indulges in.

    -Sandesh

    By Blogger Sandesh, at 2:16 PM  

  • Too much happening .. couldnt follow. Instapundit picks it up? Holy cow!

    By Blogger Govar, at 3:01 PM  

  • Awesome... it is catching fire.. add me in... http://adjournment.blogspot.com/2005/10/top-five-reasons.html

    By Blogger Pradyot, at 3:02 PM  

  • i have my take on this too at.. my blog..

    By Anonymous Shreyas Ghuge, at 4:23 PM  

  • By Blogger Flying Death, at 5:19 PM  

  • I am ashamed of myself. I shamed the great IIPM. I should have kept my mouth shut. my carier is ruined. i can never get marriad. my gf doesn't talk to me. IIM Lucknow doesn't wnat me on alum list.

    By Anonymous RealGauravSabnis, at 5:26 PM  

  • This 'realgauravsabnis'(The one who has commented above me) fellow looks like a fraud and nincompoop. Desi blogosphere aint dumb to not find that out.
    The original guy is doing the right thing and I am him. Here we have a genuine guy who has the balls of steel, and fighting for freedom of speech. Let 'realgauravsabnis' not try to to hijack the show. Kaps, my url will be at the beck and call at this hour of need.

    By Blogger Dinesh, at 7:23 PM  

  • The whole blogosphere is united.. Its the ball in our court now people and we have to show the power of freedom of speech to the ones who challenge it.

    http://flexedviews.blogspot.com/2005/10/blogosphere-unites.html

    By Blogger Prasoon, at 7:38 PM  

  • Ok. Me too:

    http://theunknownindian.blogspot.com/2005/10/iipm-are-they-for-real.html

    This is good. On the warpath against the academy of ponytailed gurus!

    By Blogger Deepak Shenoy, at 9:46 PM  

  • its really ridiculous what these guys are doing here. thanks kaps - for bringing it to our attn / information. what do they think they are actually defending or enhancing the image of their institution in this way?!?!

    By Blogger Prerona, at 10:06 PM  

  • http://bluelullaby.blogspot.com/2005/10/internet-warfare.html

    The whole thing is ridiculous.

    By Blogger Aishwarya, at 10:44 PM  

  • at last i am able to comment
    check my view at
    http://www.techmag.biz/

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:48 PM  

  • Me too!

    By Blogger protea.spice, at 5:54 AM  

  • You've got to be kidding me. Another blogger served a legal notice. Has IIPM lost it's mind??? WHAT THE F...!!!

    By Blogger oz, at 5:56 AM  

  • IIPM has dug its own grave :) this is definitely more bad publicity than they could have expected.

    By Blogger saranyan, at 6:18 AM  

  • I am surprised as why has no media group reacted to it. So I mailed various newsgroups about it and I have collected email address of various newspapers and magazines. I request all of you to do the same and mail as many people as you can. The list of email addresses can be found here.
    http://holdensays.blogspot.com/2005/10/calling-media.html

    By Blogger Handa, at 7:02 AM  

  • i thought i will make it easier. click me for the list of email ids.

    By Blogger Handa, at 7:03 AM  

  • Hi Kaps,
    Here's my bit. This thing is totally ridiculous.
    http://ravikumar.blogdrive.com/archive/301.html
    Ravi

    By Anonymous Ravi, at 10:37 AM  

  • u might be intrested to know - our own political blogger has taken up the issue.

    http://www.jeffooi.com/archives/2005/10/blogger_and_ibm.php

    By Blogger visithra, at 1:16 PM  

  • Here's my bit 'Bravo Bloggers'

    http://dineshblogbuster.blogspot.com/2005/10/bloggers-scoreiipm-sore.html

    By Blogger Dinesh, at 11:16 PM  

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    By Blogger Jinesh Zaveri, at 11:55 PM  

  • Hi Kaps,
    Here's my bit.
    http://thekobra.blogspot.com/2005/10/hats-off-to-u-mate_10.html#links

    By Blogger Aditya Pethe, at 1:43 AM  

  • His name's Bobby, Bobby Dylan -

    A self-ordained professor's tongue
    Too serious to fool
    Spouted out that liberty
    Is just free sppech in school
    "free speech" I spoke the words
    As if a wedding vow.
    Ah, but I was so much older then,
    I'm younger than that now.

    Yes, my guard stood hard when abstract threats
    Too noble to neglect
    Deceived me into thinking
    I had something to protect
    Good and bad, I define these terms
    Quite clear, no doubt, somehow.
    Ah, but I was so much older then,
    I'm younger than that now.

    By Anonymous Apar Gupta, at 2:29 AM  

  • The battle is joined!!

    By Blogger Tamizhan, at 2:48 PM  

  • Kaps,

    See Everymanscity for a couple of posts by Arka.

    By Blogger Sujatha, at 3:43 PM  

  • Add me to the list of peeps :-)

    By Blogger Darth Midnightmare, at 5:25 PM  

  • Here is my contribution to the fight. Let truth prevail.

    http://sumeetsingh.net/blog/?p=31

    - Sumeet

    By Anonymous Sumeet Singh, at 7:21 PM  

  • good work...I am new to blogworld...will add my contribution to it.

    By Anonymous navin, at 12:07 AM  

  • We are getting sick and tired of all this bullshit against iipm.

    Just because none check you on the blogs you think you can ruin our reputation? Who read all this crap anyways.

    Everything can be bought in this world. You journalists are the first ones to sell yourself.
    We all laugh at you and the time you are wasting. Seems you have no life or work.

    We are looking everything and will get all of you. Screw all the journalists!!
    You have no brains. You wouldn’t even get admission in iipm

    Stop messing our life or else….

    By Blogger iipmstudentx, at 3:36 AM  

  • This is great! I am with you, I am with all of us!
    Lets fight it out...

    By Blogger Naresh, at 3:46 AM  

  • kaps, i tried to add my comments in desipundit but got added thrice.
    please remove my 2 comments.

    By Blogger Prabu Karthik, at 1:43 PM  

  • Have written about this and linked to you http://www.livejournal.com/users/mekin/29535.html

    By Blogger mekin, at 7:08 PM  

  • Kaps: here's my bit

    http://urban-j.blogspot.com/2005/10/shouting-out-loud.html

    By Blogger Anjali, at 11:56 AM  

  • Kaps,

    Here's my two cents for this movement :o))

    http://psomu.blogspot.com/2005/10/we-will-we-will-blog-you.html

    And you are doing a great job here in keeping us posted of updates ... Keep it rolling !!

    By Blogger Somu, at 6:16 PM  

  • Kaps,

    More from my side...

    Arindam Chaudhuri's own quotes contradicting with reality !!

    http://psomu.blogspot.com/2005/10/long-live-gaurav-long-live-rashmi.html

    By Blogger Somu, at 6:51 PM  

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    By Blogger Paritosh, at 9:53 PM  

  • This incient has certainly brought to our notice the importance of true "free speech" and so me and a bunch of my friends at IITD intend to pursue a project on "Free Speech through Open Journalism".( Visit http://paritoshshah.blogspot.com/2005/10/open-journalism-and-free-speech.html
    for more details ).

    By Blogger Paritosh, at 9:57 PM  

  • Really stupid of IIPM to pursue this matter to this extent! Hope Gaurav good luck!

    My supporting entry at http://www.desihub.com/blog/page/mihir/20051013#indian_blogosphere_heating_up

    By Anonymous Mihir Sambhus, at 10:49 AM  

  • I am not sure of the current state of affairs at IIPM. As far as their ad goes in the media declaring to think above the IIM`s. I guess they have the right to say what they feel about their institution. As far as issues regarding the accrediation of IIPM is concerned. The states where IIPM is operating have their own laws governing the educational institutions operating in the state.

    I also empathize with the fact that the students of IIPM strongly for their institute.
    What is not acceptable is the manner in which the mail was sent to gaurav and rashmi. Its tone was less a legal notice and more of a threat to cause incovenience mentally or financially.

    If Arindam wants to repudiate the comments made on him. He should do so by bringing a white paper on the matter. If he can issue front page ad`s in national dailies about his institute. And that if the blog of Gaurav can cause losses of the tune of 125 crores, then i am sure Arindam has the necessary urgency and the resources to protect his and IIPM`s reputation.

    So i am waiting for Arindam to ward off the claims in the blog and come clean. The cheap theatrics of trying to intimidate someone airing his views is not acceptable and tolerable.

    Redeem yourself and your students faith in you arindam the right way if you feel so strongly about the whole issue.

    By Anonymous ten, at 6:49 PM  

  • why should IIPM Arindam bring out a whitepaper in public. They have a right to go to Court. They will give necessary evidences in court of Law, not to u bloggers.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:30 AM  

  • Count me in. I am also making a move towards banning malicious blogs. I have noticed that the internet has been plagued with blogs with no significant intentions. I was surprised to see blogs that promote things unnecessary. Because of these, bloggers allow spammers to infiltrate good blogs. I felt betrayed everytime a stupid blogger makes his moves.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:57 AM  

  • Count me in. I am also making a move towards banning malicious blogs. I have noticed that the internet has been plagued with blogs with no significant intentions. I was surprised to see blogs that promote things unnecessary. Because of these, bloggers allow spammers to infiltrate good blogs. I felt betrayed everytime a stupid blogger makes his moves.

    By Anonymous Jim Online, at 9:57 AM  

  • My dig at IIPM ads.

    By Anonymous Ashok, at 1:56 AM  

  • By Anonymous Ashok, at 1:59 AM  

  • For the past two months I have been a silent listener. A lot of things have been happening since the JAM (an e-magazine) released it's finding on the IIPM. Whether their findings are true or false, is still a matter of debate. Before coming up with my comments I decided to do a small research on this issue. I decided to visit the IIPM-Chennai campus; and in-fact I did. I was not alone in this venture. A second year student of IIPM-Chennai accompanied me on this mission.(Who could give me a better company than an IIPM guy itself !!)

    Let me put down my experience:

    I was wise enough to carry my APPLE laptop with me during this operation. With the help of AIRPORT utility( All APPLE laptops with built-in wireless card comes with an utility called AIRPORT) I searched for wireless signals. To my surprise, I was able to go online. This clearly indicates that IIPM-Chennai is Wi-Fi enabled. The JAM report previously stated that there is not a single campus that is Wi-Fi enabled. My experience was something different. I dont know what made them say so, but all I know is that the Wi-Fi DOES EXIST in this campus.

    Next, I searched for the swimming pool. Alas! I could not find one in that campus.(I agree with JAM) How ever I learned from my companion that there is a swimming pool in the IIPM-Delhi campus (Who cares!! Its in Delhi, right?).

    While at the reception, I asked the Lady at the reception ( I think her name is VIDHYA) about the IMI Europe and the degree certificate. Earlier the JAM reported that some guys even after the completion of the course do not get their degree certificates. I took up this issue with the receptionist. Her reply was "Here at IIPM, we follow trimester system. Every 3 months you have to appear for 15 papers, for a total of 200 credits. If you clear all the 200 credits, you wont be having any problems. You will get your MBA degree certificate from IMI Europe without any delay. But If you have any back-papers, it will be delayed". I think this issue is common to all and is not confined to the IIPM alone. Any reader with an average level of commonsense will now be able to understand where the JAM people went wrong. During their investigation, they probably encountered a guy who had back-papers... In that case that student has to wait for another 2 to 3 months till he clears all his back papers and the certificates are prepared......! The reader is also informed that the IIPM course contents are really tough (and vast also) and it requires the students to be "above average" to clear all the papers within one shot. The IIPM syllabus is so good that it is equivalent to IIM (if not superior) in the course contents. It seems that the JAM reporter (RASHMI???) wanted to underplay this fact and is perhaps the one reason why the JAM did not mention anything about the IIPM course contents.... ( I don’t want to say that IIPM is above IIM in any other aspect. The truth is that IIMs are the best and nobody can surpass them at least for the next two decades) ...Simple logic, right?? Don’t you agree with me guys?

    I also asked the lady at the front office about the fees for the Two Year Full Time MBA programme. It is 5.26 lacks for the 2006-2008 admissions. This 5.26 lacks includes the cost of text books, Examination fees, Tuition Fees, an IBM laptop with latest configuration and also a 10 days European trip. The JAM report stated that the MBA students have to pay an additional 50,000 for the European trip. The lady at the reception responded to this statement as " This is a false claim. They don't have to pay even a single penny extra. The air ticket, food and accommodation is provided free of cost. Everything is included in this 5.26 lacks. Our fee structure is same throughout all the campus"


    Now lets get into the heart of the story: IIPM placements. When I asked her about the placements, she said "Our students are placed in many MNCs and last year we had 100% placement in this campus". She did mention the names of some companies of which I still remember "ORACLE" , "ABN AMRO" , "UTI Bank" , "ICICI" etc... In the brochure they have given the names of around 400 companies. I also asked her if all these companies visited the IIPM-Chennai campus. She said "No, this is a collective list of all the companies that visited the 8 IIPM campus last academic year. Since we use a common brochure for all these centers, we have listed all of them." Now I request the reader to analyze the last statement. It is clearly understood from her statement that a company that visited BOMBAY or DELHI campus (for recruitment) may not visit the CHENNAI campus and vice-versa. The JAM guys used the same logic to defame the IIPM. The magazine claimed that none of these companies have visited any of the IIPM campus, which is totally baseless. Among the 400 listed in the brochure, each one has visited at least one IIPM campus. There in the notice board(at IIPM-Chennai campus) I saw the names of 8 students selected to ORACLE. They have also displayed some names of the students who have been placed in some foreign companies. If the reader is still having any doubt, I request them to visit any of the IIPM campus and get it cleared by having a close look at the notice boards. You will see the names and other details of the students who get placed in MNCs and leading companies.

    After the 15 minute talk with the front office assistant, I finally came out of the campus. Before I left, I had a glimpse of the IIPM tower (I request you not to get confused with the usage of the word "tower". This campus is just a building with 6 floors & a parking area and not a superstructure). The JAM magazine in it's controversial report had accused IIPM of using the term "modern English architecture" for describing their own towers !! RASHMI, (Or any JAM guy) please be kind enough to explain what the real "ENGLISH ARCHITECTURE" is....................

    Tail piece:
    Freedom of Speech is the topic that is being discussed widely among the bloggers now. It does NOT mean that you can kick somebody's ass with a concocted report and expect them to remain silent... If the IIPM had not issued the legal notice to RESHMI and GAURAV, they could have down played the issue in a couple of days. In fact they made an honest mistake by issuing a legal notice to both!

    By Blogger Sandeep Narayanan, at 11:56 AM  

  • Hmm I agree it's still freedom of speech indeed.

    By Anonymous Jinx, at 8:03 PM  

  • Long after the actual event, I am writing this comment. So what happened to the law suites? Did they ever reach the courts? The notices never had a leg to stand on.

    By Blogger Mridula, at 6:10 PM  

  • After reading both sides of the story, I think its safer to stay away from such great Institutes. May be one should settle for less, like IIM's :-)

    J Kumar

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    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:08 PM  

  • being a student of "iipm", been there seen it all, i can proudly say - "IIPM SUCKS"

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:52 PM  

  • THE GOVT SHOULD TAKE NECESSARY STEPS TO STOP SUCH FAKE INSTITUTIONS LIKE IIPM

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:55 PM  

  • all claims that they make (IIPM) are absolutely false. they claim that in 2008 their avg national package was rs. 5 lakh, its all rubbish. in reality it's between 2.25 - 2.5 lakh ctc.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:59 PM  

  • this one looks like a tough fight..

    By Anonymous Ankit Shukla, at 8:29 PM  

  • IIPM should be given a good punishment(government has to take necessary action), so that none of the institute will dont do like IIPM

    By Anonymous cinemasaga, at 10:04 PM  

  • Great Story...

    By Anonymous cricket, at 7:39 PM  

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